The Leader in the front, the followers behind.

November 5th, 2007

The Leader in the front.

Ko te amorangi ki mua,

Ko te hapai o ki muri.

The Leader in the front,

the Followers behind.

This is a continuation of our rich task focus and our philosophy focus of ‘No I in Teamwork?’

This is slightly different than last weeks, as there may be some of you who agree, or disagree with the Maori proverb, but just like any philosophical discussion, you will need to explain your reasoning behind your response and you must also refer to, discuss or challenge another poster’s point of view. State whether you agree? Why? Do you disagree? Why? Ask questions and explore this proverb.

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70 Responses to “The Leader in the front, the followers behind.”

  1.   erik on November 5, 2007 5:51 pm

    Hey guys!

    I agree with this proverb because if there was a team like a rugby team or a cricket team or any other team, then if there was no leader (manager, coach, trainer etc.) then there would probable be lots o fighs about who goes where and who does what and it will all just turn into a disaster. So in that case the leader would come in and take that role.

    Seeya!

  2.   Gray barclay on November 5, 2007 5:58 pm

    Hi Erik its Gray,

    I think that too because if there was no leader there would be lots of problems going on and they would not respect each other.

    bye …..

  3.   Gray barclay on November 5, 2007 6:12 pm

    Hi Guys

    I think that when you have a team you’ve got to have one main leader, but if you don’t have a leader the team will fall apart and nobody will help each other. A leader needs to help his team mates and make them feel part of the team so that he can give out roles and responsibilities, so that everyone feels they belong. The awarded leader should be a good representative of the people in their team or group and be able to speak for them and help them if in need. Sometimes there should be more than one leader if the group/team is very large.

    By Gray
    BYE !!!!!

  4.   room29space on November 5, 2007 6:39 pm

    Hello Room 29,

    Gray, I liked your post - it seems well thought out and also well written. I think this proverb can have some positive and negative aspects. As you said in the last sentence of your post - sometimes there should be more than one leader - my question is, how is that possible?

    The other questions I wondering about are; does the leader also have to remain in the front, in charge of everything, with the followers behind? Or can the leader let others lead sometimes? Is the leader of a team the only decision maker?

    There are many questions to be raised and thought about with this Maori proverb. I can see that this will be an interesting discussion.

  5.   Gayle Barclay on November 5, 2007 7:19 pm

    Hi Room 29

    This is Gayle (Gray’s Mum). I have enjoyed reading your blog site and think that you all have some great ideas!
    I wish we had stuff like this at school when I was young. We did have a computer at school when I was in high school and it took up the whole class room!

    I wanted to join in the discussion about leaders.

    I don’t think leaders should be in the front - they should be side by side with the followers so that they can act and speak as one whole group. In fact I think there should be a committee or a group that take the place of a leader so that everyone’s opinions can be heard.

    Bye
    Gayle (Gray’s Mum)

  6.   Louisa on November 6, 2007 7:29 am

    Hello,

    I agree with Gray that there should be a leader. This person takes part in more events such as in a powhiri. A leader is also useful for decideing on the roles of the rest of the team. It is needed or else the team may fall apart because there will be heaps of ideas and the leader won’t be there to select the best one. It is also important for supervising the team and the leader carries the most respect. When a tribe meets another they usally make the most fuss about the leader. This is because the leader has chosen how the team works.

    It is like a hole bunch of decorations scattered everywhere by the team and the leader glues them in. This means that the leader makes the finnal desission.

    Without a leader nothing will be finished because there will be nobody to lead the team because a leader is a bit like a superviser.

    From Louisa

  7.   Louisa on November 6, 2007 8:19 am

    Hello,

    I also agree with Gray that there will be many problems without a leader so nothing will be done. It is like a classroom where if there is no teacher then the students won’t know what to do. The leader also has to check if everyone is putting in the same amount of effort.

    The followers think of ideas and then the leader accsepts it or gives feedback to improve the idea.

    I think that the leader is the only one that can lead because it is their role.

    Louisa

  8.   BJ on November 6, 2007 6:04 pm

    I agree with Louisa and Gray, because if we were at the marae and there was no leader, then there will be no followers at the back. It’s important that you have a leader. I am saying this because if you dont have a leader then you have no followers.

  9.   Jacob on November 6, 2007 7:01 pm

    Hi guys

    I ACTUALLY disagree with all of you. The Maori proverb is “the leaders in front, the followers behind” not something like without the leader it all crumbles to bits. I think what it means is if the leader doesn’t guide the group, everyone gets lost or has arguments about who goes where and stuff. But I think you all did have good ideas.

  10.   olivia on November 6, 2007 7:13 pm

    I agree with louisa and gray,

    I think that without a leader the team won’t work so well. I also think the leader will help make the decisions of what happens. e.g. asking questions to somebody. And they have to decide what questions to ask with the teams help. Without the leade the team won’t go as fast because there will be many more arguments because the leader sorts most of those things out. Like in a flippa ball game. without the coach the game wont run so smoothly.

    I also agree with Jacob that it isnt all about what happens if the leader is gone.

    Olivia

  11.   Jock on November 6, 2007 8:31 pm

    Hi,

    Well about the leader infront the followers behind. Well the romans had a council that meaned that there was an emporer and then when the emporer had an Idea the council had to say yes or no for the idea to go forth.

    Jock will back this up with historical information and will also refer to his thoughts on other posters…Does he agree? Disagree? Why?

    Jock

  12.   room29space on November 6, 2007 8:44 pm

    Hello Room 29,

    We had a visitor from Instructional Technology at Northern Illinois University (USA). The man’s Professor asked the students to look at our site for an example of how blogs can be used in education. Wow!

    …………………………………………………………………………………………………..

    Some interesting ideas and still no one has found a common ground. Some of you have said that it is very important to have a leader, some of you have mentioned that a leader must refer to others before making decisions.

    Jacob looked at the proverb in a literal sense, and therefore disagreed with all of you!

    I think that what you need to do Jacob is to wonder, is this proverb actually true? Does the leader need to be in the front - with others behind them? If they say ‘Jump!’ Do you say ‘How high?’ Is this how it works in a team?

    I think this could mean that the leader is most important and the followers only do what he tells them. Are the followers less important? I wonder?

  13.   bianca on November 7, 2007 6:07 pm

    I agree with what it says because lots of things are like that, for example at school the teacher is the leader and the kids are follow behind the teacher.

    I agree with Jacob with the leader in front and followers behind.

    Bianca

  14.   Jennifer on November 7, 2007 6:25 pm

    Hi the most amazing class in our universe!

    I apologize for the late posting.This is all my computer’s fault. It won’t let me go on the internet so I have to use the slow computer.

    Anyway, back onto the topic.

    I agree with this maori proverb. If no one needs a leader this word would not even be in the dectionary!

    If everything does NOT have a leader,things won’t go so well. There would always be a leader to instruct the followers otherwise theothers might not co-operate so well. But that does not always mean the leader get’s extra credit. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t.It depends on who gives out the credit.

    To me, leaders should get the same amount as anyone else. Every one in participation would have done their part.

    -Jennifer

  15.   jackliu on November 7, 2007 7:59 pm

    I also agree with Gray that there will be many problems without a leader so nothing will be done.Like if theres no coach teaching no one will not know what to do and just stay there doing nothing

    jackliu

  16.   Eden Garton on November 7, 2007 8:29 pm

    Hello,

    I also agree with you Gray, because if you don’t have a leader your team wouldn’t know what to do, or the team will full apart. Well, with a leader they might know the speech better then everyone else.

    A leader is like a teacher, they need to now how to control their team. If they don’t now hoe to control their team, they shouldn’t be a leader.

    -Eden-

  17.   frankie on November 8, 2007 7:44 am

    Hi,

    Its Frankie here. I completely agree with most of you about what this moari proverb means because I think that it means the leader leads the other people and keeps everyone under control. But I also think this proverb shouldnt apply for us because for example Helen Clark isnt the only leader of New Zealand. Its actually the whole of the labour party.

    Frankie.

  18.   Louisa on November 8, 2007 7:45 am

    Hello Eden,

    Sometimes you are born to be a leader like in whale rider. This way you can’t help it because it is a tradition.

    The leader must always stay in front. The followers are the ones that suggest things and the leader is there to supervise and select ideas.

    A leader is not always needed in small groups but in large groups it is more needed because more people will argue and there are more people to control.

    In games like “follow the leader” it shows that the leader chooses where to go and the followers follow.

    Louisa

  19.   Gabbie on November 8, 2007 7:59 am

    I think that this maori proverb means that the leader in a dance for exarmple will be the loudest or one of the best and most responseable I think this because it normally happens in our real lives now.

    I agree to everyones comments, and I think that they all tie in together about the leader in the front.

    Gabbie

  20.   Louisa on November 8, 2007 3:26 pm

    Hello Gabbie,

    Who do you think chooses a leader. Does the leader have a boss? I don’t think that the best person at something has to be the leader.

    Louisa

  21.   Hannah on November 8, 2007 3:40 pm

    Hi,

    I disagree to the proverb. I think there should be a leader to organise people and stop problems, but they should stand beside the followers, not in front. I think this because the leaders don’t put do all the work, like a sports team, the captain does a position in the game, but so do all the other players.
    I also agree to Louisa saying ‘It is like a classroom where if there is no teacher then the students won’t know what to do.’ Because there needs to be someone to take control of the group and represent it but that leader needs to be treated like the rest and stand with them, and do the same amount as work as them. The only thing different about them is that they have a different title and responsibilities.
    The leader has a bit more responsibilities but is the same as everyone else. Because the followers are the ones who gave him/her the title of leader, they were the ones to decide.
    A leader is there to help others when they need help.
    I think that when the leader needs help, the followers can help him/her as he/her may of once helped them.
    There can be more than one leader but with different roles/responsibilities.

    Yours sincerely,

    Hannah

  22.   Hannah on November 8, 2007 4:15 pm

    Hi,

    I’m actually not sure if I agree or not now.
    Well here is some different points:

    Agreeing:

    I think that the leader should stand in front to guide everyone’s way in the right direction. The leaders make the big decisions while the followers make smaller ones. The leader supervises their people/land, like a teacher looking after their class. It is like a paddock of sheep, each one follows the first.
    Like Louisa said, ‘it is like follow the leader, the leader chooses where to go and the followers follow.’
    Also if a leader has a big job they should have more respect, for example: Like a countries leader, they have big jobs, and if they do it well they will have great respect.
    But leaders who do not lead well, should have little respect.

    Disagreeing:

    I disagree, because it shouldn’t be like a game of chess, where everyone gives themselves up for the king and queen.
    It should be like a rope, with little threads working together as a team to make a big rope, even if the threads are different sizes, they still work together.
    A leader should stand with his team as a team member, not as the teams best. He/she should respect everyone as they respect each other. The followers shouldn’t treat the leader so differently as themselves.

    Yours sincerely,

    Hannah

  23.   Louisa on November 8, 2007 4:26 pm

    Hello Hannah,

    I think that the leader is the most important person. In a game of chess, if the king is missing then you can’t play but if a pawn is missing then you can still play but the game won’t be as fare.

    I see what you mean about not sure what side you are on. I think the leader should stand in front because if there is another tribe they won’t to know who is going to partisipate in the important challenges.

    The leader is known as ‘important’ but I don’t think that the followers should be ignored.

    Louisa

  24.   room29space on November 8, 2007 5:23 pm

    Hi Room 29,

    Wonderful discussion Louisa and Hannah. I enjoyed how you tried to look at both sides Hannah…Have you decided whether the leader should be in front with his/her followers behind?

    I will see you all tomorrow…I have had the flu :( I hope that everyone has been on their best behaviour, even when the reliever arrives late. The swimming times are on the door of my cupboard - sorry that you have missed out so far this week room 29.

    I think we will keep this post running next week also, it is a tricky one to decide on. Maybe it depends on the siutation or environment?

    See you soon.

    Andrew

  25.   Ella on November 8, 2007 5:39 pm

    Hi guys,
    I agree with Gabbie with what she said about dance because the leader of the group will always be in the front.
    I think that it means that the leader will always be in the front, for example, at a marae the leader would be the kaikorero.
    I also think that it means if there’s no chocolate chip in the cookie the cookie is not a complete chocolate chip cookie.
    -Ella-

  26.   erin on November 8, 2007 7:46 pm

    hi

    I agree leader shall be in front because, it has lots of mana and it was choce to be the best.

    Also the leader is leading them a better future?
    Or it’s a culture thing?

    erin :)

  27.   Hannah on November 10, 2007 12:20 pm

    Hi Louisa,

    I think that if a pawn is missing on a chess board, or any other position (excluding the king and queen), the game will not function as well as when all the positions were there. I think that the smaller positions shouldn’t be less important as they would of sacrificed themselves for someone else (e.g the king and queen), and that is a better thing to do than letting them do that. The king and queens should deal with their own problems in this game, and fight with the rest of their team.
    I know that if the king isn’t there the game cannot continue, but that is like life, if the leader has passed away, there will be someone who will replace him (e.g, the prince will take over after the king/ like a chain, someone will take over after the next person, and someone else after the next, etc).

    Yours sincerely,

    Hannah - 500TH POST!

  28.   Hannah on November 10, 2007 12:25 pm

    Hi,

    I now agree to the proverb; because someone needs to choose the right path to take, to lead everyone to a better future.

    -Hannah

  29.   room29space on November 10, 2007 1:42 pm

    Hi Room 29 -

    Just a random and exciting fact for you…Hannah, with her 12.20pm comment was our 500th post!!! You kids are the best!

    Andrew

  30.   Hannah on November 10, 2007 2:40 pm

    YAY!!!

    Really Andrew, have we got five hundred posts?

    That is a lot of posts for thirty days!

    Hope we get lots more posts sent by the end of this year!

    From Hannah

  31.   Louisa on November 10, 2007 5:07 pm

    Hello Hannah,

    What I am saying is that there will be bigger problems without the king and queen more then a pawn.
    A leader also does the most things in a group. This is because there is one of them.
    I think that the leader is in front so another tribe can realise who leads the group and does heaps of responsibilities.

    In some cultures it would be disrespect to hide the leader back in the followers. A leader is also more experienced then the followers.
    You have to be strong in mental and physical ways to be a leader because you are involved in more things.

    Louisa

  32.   Hannah on November 12, 2007 5:31 pm

    Hi,

    The leaders are usually the most experienced, like Louisa said. They are the ones who know the most about their culture and backgrounds. They sometimes are born a leader from their parents. This could be because of their parents having lots of mana and maybe having great ancestors.
    Louisa, I still stay to my points but you make lots of great points I agree to, two. Yes, it will be harder without the king and queen, but if the leader stands alone, they will not be as strong. Like a king/queen without their country.
    Also the leader cannot do all the jobs, that is why it is important to have followers as they do big jobs for the community two. They may only help out a friend, but that is still helping someone. They may only have a small job, but if they get it done, it is doing well.

    Yours sincerely,

    Hannah

  33.   bianca on November 12, 2007 6:10 pm

    This is my 2nd time i have posted for this proverb. I have just come up with this idea of what the proverb means to me. The leader is the is the main cook and there are other cooks that follow his steps. Also they think of him as a role model so they follow what he does.

    Bianca - you need to be part of the conversation. Respond to somebody else and ask questions…agree, challenge, disagree. Your voice alone sometimes is not enough. Is a large discussion similar to what occurs in a team?

    From Bianca

  34.   Louisa on November 12, 2007 6:54 pm

    Hello,

    I agree with you that a leader is a role model and the followers follow his steps.

    I think that the leader has to be in front so that it is showing respect and because they know where to go.

    A leader is like a key to a door. If you don’t have a key then the door will stay locked. The leader is the one selects the best idea. Without a leader then the followers wil argue over ideas and they also will not be given roles. This means that the team will likely callaps.

    Every part is needed in a team. A leader carries more responsibilities then the rest of the team.

    If the followers lead the leader then the followers would be doing the leaders role and the leader would not be a leader.

    Hannah- I agree with you that you need followers in a team because they do do alot. There are more of them so their job is easier.

    From Louisa

  35.   Gray barclay on November 12, 2007 7:01 pm

    Hi Louisa

    I agree with you because if one thing is missing off the chess board or something else then the whole thing would break or would be broken. Because if something leaves then nothing could take its place or the part. Like when I had to take Olivers part in the myth for one day I was not as good as him at that part so the play would not have been as good.

    By Gray

    BYE……?

  36.   Jennifer on November 12, 2007 8:07 pm

    Hi Hannah,

    I agree with you and Louisa about the leader being more experience. The job is normally passed on from the family. Just like a chef(sp), it’s passed on from a family.

    So they would be more respected.

    -Jennifer

  37.   Gabbi L on November 13, 2007 1:40 pm

    I think this means that the leader is in the front to make the first step forward and to lead the way. The leader is usually the boss and knows where to go. The followers will be behind the leader to get to the right place.

    I agree to this proverb because the leader is the one who knows the right path to take. I think the followers are behind to help the leader make big jobs small.

    I think that there can be more than one leader, like a King and a Queen. I think this because if there are two leaders it would be easier to find the right path or track and it also shares the load and the responsibilities.

  38.   frankie on November 13, 2007 3:54 pm

    Hi Gray,

    I agree with you about if something leaves no one can take the place and make it the same as it was. I also agree with you about in the play when you took Olivers place, even though you were really good at it for the first timer, you could never make it same as it was when Oliver was in that part.

    I think this is a good example because if you are a very good leader and you die or something your whole tribe or country will fall apart because they might not think the new leader is as good.

    I also think another example about the leaders in front the followers behind could be like whales because the lead whale will go in front and maybe get beached then all the other whales folow him and they all get beached as well.

  39.   Eden Garton on November 13, 2007 4:04 pm

    Hello,

    I agree with you Gabbi L. The leader takes the frist steps, and is like the boss.

    I think that there are heaps of other answers to this probverb.

    I think that it means that with out the leader the team will full apart. I also agree with Ella last week about the cookie thing.

    I also think it might mean that the leader might know more then the followers.

    -Eden-

  40.   erik on November 13, 2007 4:04 pm

    I agree with what Bj said earlier about if there was no leader, then there would be no followers, and if were no followers, then yes there would be no leader. I think this because I believe that for there to be a leader, there needs to be more than one person. I don’t know why I think this but that is what I believe.

    Bye, Erik

  41.   Louisa on November 13, 2007 4:16 pm

    Hello,

    I agree with Erik that you need followers to have a leader.
    I think that you can’t just say ‘can I be a leader?’ because it runs in the family like in the whale rider.
    I dissagree with Gabbi because there can only be one leader but there can be a sub leader. If there are two leaders then there will have to be another leader above them.

    Louisa

  42.   frankie on November 13, 2007 4:20 pm

    Hi Erik,

    I agree with you about if there is no leader there would be no followers and if there are no followers then there would be no leader.This means i also agree with B.J. I agree with you because for example in follow the leader like some of you have mentioned before, if there is no leader the people who are following him will not know where to go. Then if there were no followers there would be no point in playing the game follow the leader.

  43.   bianca on November 13, 2007 7:17 pm

    Hi Andrew its Bianca here I am adding on from what you said to me. I also dont agree with Gabbi.L because the leader is not always the boss of what they do E.G some one could be the leader in a dance and it dosent mean they are the boss of the dance. I also dont agree with Eden about the leader knowing more E.G what I said about the dance the person in front would not know more than other people. Also I do agree with Louisa about the bord game if one thing is missing it wount work as wall.

    from Bianca.
    Go room 29 - We rock.

  44.   gabbie on November 13, 2007 7:28 pm

    I think this moari properb means that the follows are the people of a land and the leader is the cheif of the land, so the people follow the strongest person out of the village/city e.g Helen Clark is the strongest and she is now our Primeminister of our contry.
    sometimes you can get a deputy leader/anything so they will be just behind the top leader, so if there was a chart there would be the top top leader then the deputy leader and then there would be the followers at the end of the cart.

    I agree with hannah about that the leader is usually is the most experinced in the whole situation and sometimes it might be the oldest out of the tribe/city.

    Gabbie.B

    Gabbie.B :)

  45.   jack on November 14, 2007 5:35 pm

    I think the maori proverb means, if there was no leader the followers wont know where to go or what to do.

    Jack

  46.   bianca on November 14, 2007 6:08 pm

    Hi it’s Bianca here

    I agree with you ,Gabbie.B because what you said about Helen Clark is a very good way to say it. That is why I agree with you and what you said is true.

    Bianca

  47.   BJ on November 14, 2007 7:13 pm

    I agree with Gabbie because if their were no chief for the land then there will be no followers

    I hope we win the votes

    Bjay room 29 is the best class

  48.   Louisa on November 15, 2007 4:15 pm

    Hello Gabbie,

    I dissagree with you that the strongest person is the leader. This is because the leader runs in the family, sometimes you can’t help it if it is your turn to be the leader.
    You never know if Helen Clark is actually the strongest because she got voted to be a leader and people may not of voted for the strongest leader.
    I agree with you that there can be sub leaders; like what I said above that there can’t be two main leaders.
    The leader is in front so that they can receive the mana given to them.
    The leader is built up from the followers. The leader couldn’t handle his/her job if there were no followers because the followers do take some responsibilities of the leader.

    From Louisa

  49.   olivia on November 15, 2007 5:12 pm

    olivia

    I agree with Louisa because there can only be one leader but there can be sub-leaders. I also agree with Louisa that the strongest person isn’t always the leader.In some cases the stongest doesn’t always work it might be the wisest or most experienced that does a better job.
    Also there doesn’t always need to be a leader. In some cases you can have a vote e.g people can vote on an idea and those with the most votes will have the idea taken forward. In that case you don’t need a leader. In pairs you can’t have a leader and only one follower - the proverb is leader in front: follower’s behind.

  50.   Oliver B on November 15, 2007 5:24 pm

    Hi frankie and erik.I agree about if there are no followers there is no leader because there are nobody folloing the leader.

  51.   Ruby .S. on November 15, 2007 6:24 pm

    Hi every one,

    Just to tell you I agree with Olivia that there can not be only one leader and that the leader does not have to be the strong person and that would be unfair because what if there is a very weak person and a strong person that does not know what to do would not be a very good leader because he does not know what to do.
    I think that it is like a family the grandparents are the leaders and the other family members are the followers e.g. the parents and then the children ect. At school Micaela said “or it can be the teacher in the front and the children behind (that is an other example that you could use)

    Ruby .S.

  52.   Ella on November 15, 2007 6:40 pm

    Hi guys,
    I agree with Louisa saying “if one peice is missing off a board game then it won’t work as well as if the peice was there” because if your playing a game of go fish and you can’t find a certain card that is important then you can play but it would be harder to play.
    I dissagree with Hannah with what she said about the leader being the most experinced out of them all because the leader doesn’t have to be experinced to do the job of the leader because the is suposed to look her his/her people but also make sure that they are doing their job, and he/her doesn’t have to be experinced to do that job.

    -Ella-

  53.   Ruby .S. on November 15, 2007 8:39 pm

    Hi,

    I agree with Ella because if one part of the jigsaw is missing then you can not finish it and also with the go fish if there is know fish of a kind to finish the game then the game wont be finished because there is one part missing.

    Ruby .S.

  54.   Jock on November 16, 2007 7:58 am

    hello,
    its jock,
    I have some backup and I will also talk about someones comment heres the backup:the modern day saying,”you are such a pleb” comes from Roman Times - today it means you know nothing or you aren’t very important - and it’s based on the difference between ‘patricians’ (leaders) and ‘plebeians’ (followers) - my back up is from Wikipedia…. The true origin of the distinction between plebeians and patricians is unknown; there is little evidence for any sort of ethnic basis, nor many signs of a distinction during the time of the kings. However, the populace of the city of Rome during the reigns of Romulus, Numa Pompilius, and Tullus Hostilius were all called patrician as they were the only inhabitants of Rome. It is during the reign of Ancus Marcius that the plebeians came to Rome from diplomatic alliances as secondary citizens. In any case, around the time of the foundation of the Roman Republic, the plebeians were excluded from religious colleges and magistracies, and the law of the Twelve Tables disallowed intermarriage (which was finally allowed by the Lex Canuleia). At the same time, plebeians were enrolled in the gentes and tribes, served in the army, and could become military tribunes.

    Even so, the “Conflict of the Orders” over the political status of the plebeians went on for the first two centuries of the Republic, ending with the formal equality of plebeians and patricians in 287 BC. The plebeians achieved this by developing their own organizations (the concilium plebis), leaders (the tribunes and plebeian aediles), and as the ultimate weapon used the secessio, by which the plebeians would literally leave Rome, effectively boycotting the city. This is recorded to have happened five times, although only the last (in 287) is believed to be accurately documented.

    After this period, the plebeians were gradually incorporated into the Senatorial elite. The distinction between members of patrician families and members of wealthy senatorial plebeian families became essentially a legal, rather than a social one — at least one consul each year had to be a plebeian, and only plebeians had the right to act as Tribune of the People and to vote in the Plebeian Council. By the first century BC, many of the wealthiest and most prominent senatorial figures were actually plebeians, as many of the old patrician families died out.

    Still later, during the Empire the term was often used of anyone not in the senatorial or equestrian orders.from wikipedia.

  55.   Jock on November 16, 2007 8:10 am

    Hi Erik

    I agree with your post saying that we need leaders otherwise things could get out of hand, but at the same time followers also need to be able choose their way of life. There have been times in history when leaders have turned bad. For example Hitler. For some reason many people chose to follow him blindly and many millions of people died as a result of what he wanted to do. That’s why democracy is so important - the people need to be able to choose their leader. We have a democracy in New Zealand - and we choose our leaders every 3 years.

    My Mum and I had a long talk about how World War 2 started - it’s really complicated. There are lots of reasons. But it’s pretty obvious that a few leaders got out of control (Germany, Italy and Japan).

    Seeya Jock

  56.   Brittany on November 16, 2007 8:26 am

    Hi everyone Brittany here

    I agree with Louisa that there could be sub leaders. I also think that the leader may guide the team or lead the team like if a mother duck was leading her ducklings and help them to find their way until they are strong enough to become their own leaders.

    Brittany :)

  57.   Oliver RD on November 16, 2007 8:40 am

    Hi guys,

    I think that every team should have a leader that dereicts them, and keeps them together sometimes. I think that you cant have a team without a leader because the team wouldint function properly, because they would not know what to do. For example a sports team would have a captain to organise game plans, and ship would have a captian to keep the ship running properly.

    Oliver RD

  58.   tessa on November 16, 2007 9:43 am

    Hi
    I agree with Oliver. A team will work together with a leader. They need someone to keep them orgonized. A leader keeps the team together and makes sure they all take a fair part in the job. The leader will sometimes do more work then anyone else. I think this statement means a team needs a leader

    From Tessa

  59.   Hamish on November 16, 2007 9:47 am

    To me “The leader in front and the followers behind” means there is someone in front and followers behind him. And the person in the front has to do things and the followers have to do the same as the leader like in follow the leader.

    I agree with Louisa that the leader must always stay in front and not fall behind.

  60.   Jacob on November 16, 2007 9:53 am

    Hi Hamish,
    I think that the leader in the front and the followers behind means that the leader must never go back and always at the front. And the leader has to also listen to the followers.

    I agree with Hamish and Louisa that the leader must always stay in the front and the followers must always stay behind.

  61.   micaela on November 16, 2007 9:56 am

    Hi
    I’m Micaela, I agree to Brittany. Because the little ducklings need its mother, as Brittany said when the ducklings grow stronger they leave their mother.
    I also agree to Oliver Rd, because every team should have a leader that derelicts them, and keeps them together works as a team. I think that you have to have a leader in a, team without a leader the team wouldn’t function properly, because they would not know what to do. For example a team captain has to tell others and him or herself what to do. A team would not work if there’s not a leader.
    Micaela

  62.   Joe on November 16, 2007 9:57 am

    Hi

    I think that if there are 2 people together, they shouldn’t have a leader because the other person wont do much work. But if it’s a team or a group with more then 2 people they should have a leader to control the team or group because if there is no leader, there will be no people to tell the others what to do.

    I agree with Louisa and Brittany. There can be sub leaders so if a leader is away there is alwas someone in charge.

    From Joe

  63.   Sammy on November 16, 2007 9:58 am

    Hi Jacob,
    I kind of disagree with Jacob because the leaders dont always have to stay at the front because lots of leaders go behind the followers and lots of them go at the front. And sometimes the followers can stay at the frontand the leaders stays behind the whole entire time.

  64.   Gabbi Land on November 16, 2007 9:59 am

    Hi Hannah,
    I agree with you saying the leaders are usually the most experienced and that they are the ones who know the most about their culture. I agree with you because leaders should be the ones who know what to do and where to go.

    Hi Bianca,
    I also agree with you about the cook thing.
    There is a main chef or cook and the other cooks follow the main cooks lead.

  65.   erin on November 16, 2007 10:16 am

    Hi,
    I agree to Olivia and Louisa, because there can only be one leader but there can be sub-leaders. I also agree with Louisa that the strongest person isn’t always the leader. In some cases the strongest doesn’t always have the talent. Also there doesn’t always need to be a leader. In some other cases you can have a vote for example people can vote for city council.

  66.   Arahina on November 16, 2007 10:26 am

    I think this proverb means that if there was no prime-minister there would be no organisation. I think this because if the prime-minister didn’t do her job the whole of Auckland would fall apart.

    I disagree with Hamish because when a leader does some thing the followers do not have to unless the leader tells them to.
    From Arahina

  67.   Hannah on November 18, 2007 2:42 pm

    Hi Louisa,

    I agree with Gabbi L, and disagree to you, about having more tan one leader. This is because, sometimes not only one person can fulfill the roles of a leader so the job could be shared, like a king and queen. One leader could do half the roles while the other leader does the rest. One leader may not be good at some parts of their job, they may have weak spots, so they have another leader to share the job and handle those jobs.

    Hannah

  68.   Hannah on November 18, 2007 2:47 pm

    Hi Louisa,

    I agree to you saying that sometimes the leader isn’t the strongest. I agree to this because maybe the followers who choose the leader make the wrong choice, or the person, like you said, might have too if its a family role, and they can’t help it if they aren’t prepared, or as good as someone else. Like a prince, he would have to be king some day.

    Yours sincerely,

    Hannah

  69.   Louisa on November 20, 2007 3:26 pm

    Hello,

    I agree with you that The lower leader can become the important leader. I think that a team could survive without a leader but it will just be a mess.
    Hannah- Do you think that small groups (2 or 3 people)need to have a leader?

    louisa

  70.   Hannah on November 21, 2007 6:59 pm

    Hi Louisa,

    That is a good question, so I will answer sometimes.

    Yes:
    I think sometimes they do, like a leader of a club who takes in the ideas, and makes the big choices. The club’s leader would be the one who started it all and would organise it all.

    No:

    I think they don’t sometimes, because it would have to be above 5 or more people, otherwise it would be to small for positions (leader, followers, co-leader etc.). Also there wouldn’t be enough people to vote for a leader so they would have arguments on who would be the leader.

    So there only sometimes should be leaders in small groups.

    Yours sincerely,

    Hannah

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